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Several questions in a paragraph :)

Post by luvdutch » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:33 am

Hello :)

I have come across several question in one single paragraph. Could you help please ?:) Thank you so much !! :-P

the text goes:

"Grootouders spelen een belangrijke rol in de familie, althans in onze cultuur. Iedereen houdt rekening met hun ideeën en opvattingen. Zij hebben veel gezag, net als de ouders. Die kunnen zelfs bepalen met wie je moet trouwen. Kun je je dat voorstellen? "

questions:

1, althans means 'at least', can it be replaced by tenminste/ten minste here? when to use althans, tenminste and ten minste?
2, Iedereen here refers to who? de grootouders or everyone in the family?
3, 'die" is the subject in the sentence as it is capitalized with the first letter 'D' here. if so, does it refer to 'veel gezag'? because it is said in the book normally if 'die' is used as a subject in a sentence, it should refer to an inanimate object(not a person or living being). (so the text wants to tell if the grandparents can determine who you marry or the authority from them can determine the marriage?)
4, Kun je je dat voorstellen? (can you imagine that)?. is this actually ' can you yourself imagine that'? is it actually enough to say kun je dat voorstellen? why stress a extra 'je' here for?

thank you so much for your help!

Dean

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Re: Several questions in a paragraph :)

Post by Bert » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:55 am

luvdutch wrote:Hello :)

I have come across several question in one single paragraph. Could you help please ?:) Thank you so much !! :-P

the text goes:

"Grootouders spelen een belangrijke rol in de familie, althans in onze cultuur. Iedereen houdt rekening met hun ideeën en opvattingen. Zij hebben veel gezag, net als de ouders. Die kunnen zelfs bepalen met wie je moet trouwen. Kun je je dat voorstellen? "

questions:

1, althans means 'at least', can it be replaced by tenminste/ten minste here? when to use althans, tenminste and ten minste? You can replace it by tenminste.
2, Iedereen here refers to who? de grootouders or everyone in the family? Everyone (every person).
3, 'die" is the subject in the sentence as it is capitalized with the first letter 'D' here. if so, does it refer to 'veel gezag'? because it is said in the book normally if 'die' is used as a subject in a sentence, it should refer to an inanimate object (not a person or living being). (so the text wants to tell if the grandparents can determine who you marry or the authority from them can determine the marriage?) Die refers to the grandparents.
4, Kun je je dat voorstellen? (can you imagine that)?Die refers to the grandparents.. is this actually ' can you yourself imagine that'? is it actually enough to say kun je dat voorstellen? No. Why stress an extra 'je' here for? The basic verb is not voorstellen but zich voorstellen*, that's why the 2nd je cannot be left out.

thank you so much for your help!

Dean
* http://www.dutchgrammar.com/en/?n=WordOrder.05

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Re: Several questions in a paragraph :)

Post by luvdutch » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:14 pm

Thank you so much for the neat input for the questions, Bert!

for the third question about 'die', here is a page from the grammar website
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They: Ze, zij, or die?

We use unmarked 'ze' (they) for persons and for inanimate objects.
However, when we stress the pronoun, we make a distinction: We refer to persons by 'zij' and to inanimate objects by 'die'.
http://www.dutchgrammar.com/en/?n=Pronouns.Ps02

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my question is that this grammar page tells about when refer to 'they' as the subject, 'die' is only used especially for inanimate objects. but i have seen examples that it is used to replace people. it is a bit confusing, what is the fact?

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Re: Several questions in a paragraph :)

Post by ngonyama » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:01 pm

Die is actually a demonstrative, not a personal pronoun: it means those but you can use it to replace the personal pronoun for either animate or inanimate. However, personal pronouns like he, she or they (hij, zij and zij) are getting more and more reserved for persons nowadays and that is why replacing zij with die is more popular for inanimate nouns. Especially for the singular. For the plural less so.

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Re: Several questions in a paragraph :)

Post by luvdutch » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:52 am

ngonyama wrote:Die is actually a demonstrative, not a personal pronoun: it means those but you can use it to replace the personal pronoun for either animate or inanimate. However, personal pronouns like he, she or they (hij, zij and zij) are getting more and more reserved for persons nowadays and that is why replacing zij with die is more popular for inanimate nouns. Especially for the singular. For the plural less so.
It's more clear after seeing your reply. Thank you! :)

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