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Verb in the first position

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:50 pm
by k.tihanyi
Hi,

I have seen some cases when the verb was in the first position, and which don't figure among the for me known cases (question, imperative, expression of regret). For example:

Ben je klaar, dan mag je uitgaan.
Heb ik al gedaan.
Heb vandaag niets gedaan.
Lopen twee mannen in de park.
Ik kwam hem tegen. Zegt hij tegen mij: lang niet gezien!
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Could anybody give me some indication when the apparently strong "verb in the second position" rule can be broken?

Thanks in advance

Re: Verb in the first position

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:48 am
by ngonyama
k.tihanyi wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:50 pm
Hi,

I have seen some cases when the verb was in the first position, and which don't figure among the for me known cases (question, imperative, expression of regret). For example:

Ben je klaar, dan mag je uitgaan.
This is a pseudo-question: Ben je klaar? Dan mag je weggaan.
Heb ik al gedaan.
This suffers from omission: [Dat] heb ik al gedaan.
Heb vandaag niets gedaan.
Again omission: [Ik] heb vandaag niets gedaan. This works mostly because the forms "ben" and "heb" are unique for first person anyway.
Lopen twee mannen in dehet park.
Omission: [Er] lopen twee mannen in het park
Ik kwam hem tegen. Zegt hij tegen mij: lang niet gezien!
[Toen] zeg hij ..

This sort of omissive style is not uncommon. It is a kind of minimalistic story telling. Any redundant information is left out, a bit like in the old telegrams. Telegramstijl it used to be called, but who remembers telegrams. Twitterstijl?
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Could anybody give me some indication when the apparently strong "verb in the second position" rule can be broken?

Thanks in advance

Re: Verb in the first position

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:27 am
by k.tihanyi
Hi Ngonyama,

Thank You very much for all of your stupendous answers. With this message I would like to thank you in a special way for each of them.

I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Wonderful New Year!!!

K.