"spreken met iemand" or "spreken iemand"?

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"spreken met iemand" or "spreken iemand"?

Post by k.tihanyi » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:31 pm

From the following two sentences, in the first is used the "met" preposition in combination with "spreken" , in the second one not:

-Kan ik even met meneer Verhoeven spreken?
-Zou ik meneer verhoeven kunnen spreken?

When should one use "met"? Is it optional? So that would it be correct also:

-Kan ik even meneer Verhoeven spreken?
-Zou ik met meneer verhoeven kunnen spreken?

Is there any difference in the meaning with or without met?

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Re: "spreken met iemand" or "spreken iemand"?

Post by ngonyama » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:53 am

Spreken is not a transitive verb in this case.

cf:
Ik spreek Nederlands
Ik spreek met meneer Verhoeven.

Leaving out "met" is sloppy and incorrect.

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Re: "spreken met iemand" or "spreken iemand"?

Post by k.tihanyi » Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:33 am

Thank you very much for the fast answer.

For me it is disturbing only that the examples are taken from the Teach Yourself - Complete Dutch (level 4) textbook and the cases when in a similar situation it is used "met" muss less than the contrary. Even in my Dutch-Hungarian dictionary is written: "iem. spreken" and not "met iem. spreken".

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Re: "spreken met iemand" or "spreken iemand"?

Post by ngonyama » Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:49 am

k.tihanyi wrote:Thank you very much for the fast answer.

For me it is disturbing only that the examples are taken from the Teach Yourself - Complete Dutch (level 4) textbook and the cases when in a similar situation it is used "met" muss less than the contrary. Even in my Dutch-Hungarian dictionary is written: "iem. spreken" and not "met iem. spreken".

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There are sentences like: "hij was daar niet erg over te spreken" - he did not like it if you brought up the subject. / He was not pleased with that.

Sometimes you might hear: "I heb hem gisteren nog gesproken" - It means more something like "I had contact with him only yesterday,"

But in general spreken is only really a transitive verb with languages or so.

In die stad spreekt niemand Duits. <---> Duits wordt in die stad door niemand gesproken.

You cannot do that with persons:

Ik werd door Jan gesproken <-excluded->

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Re: "spreken met iemand" or "spreken iemand"?

Post by k.tihanyi » Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:11 pm

Thank you really very much.

Perhaps I begin to understand. Better to say I begin to understand that I don't understand. Perhaps should I consider also the verb "praten" for a better understanding?

I have found a type of definition for both (https://onzetaal.nl/taaladvies/advies/praten-spreken), Basing on this:
"Praten betekent vooral 'mondeling met elkaar communiceren'; ook wel 'taal mondeling (kunnen of willen) uiten'".
while
"Spreken wordt in specifiekere contexten gebruikt".

And just now remained and are raised for me the questions:

1. Are the sentences (or which of them):

-Kan ik even met meneer Verhoeven spreken?
-Zou ik meneer Verhoeven kunnen spreken?

and

-Kan ik even meneer Verhoeven spreken?
-Zou ik met meneer Verhoeven kunnen spreken?

at the end correct/acceptable or not?

2. Should/could one use in these cases instead of "spreken" "praten"?

Ex.:

-Kan ik even met meneer Verhoeven praten?
-Zou ik tegen meneer Verhoeven kunnen praten?


Thank you really very much again, also for your patience

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Re: "spreken met iemand" or "spreken iemand"?

Post by andreengels » Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:29 pm

First, I don't agree with ngonyama here - "iemand spreken" is perfectly correct Dutch in my opinion. Having said that:
k.tihanyi wrote: 1. Are the sentences (or which of them):

-Kan ik even met meneer Verhoeven spreken?
-Zou ik meneer Verhoeven kunnen spreken?

and

-Kan ik even meneer Verhoeven spreken?
-Zou ik met meneer Verhoeven kunnen spreken?

at the end correct/acceptable or not?
They all are correct, but in the third case I would change the word order: "Kan ik meneer Verhoeven even spreken?"
2. Should/could one use in these cases instead of "spreken" "praten"?

Ex.:

-Kan ik even met meneer Verhoeven praten?
-Zou ik tegen meneer Verhoeven kunnen praten?
The first one I would consider correct, but a bit strange. It sounds more like something said when I talk with Mr. Verhoeven and then someone (for example my little child) interrupts us. The second is a bit too strange - "praten tegen" someone means that I talk to him, but I don't expect him to answer back. It's thus rather rude thing to do. That doesn't fit with asking it - let alone asking it in a formal-friendly manner.

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Re: "spreken met iemand" or "spreken iemand"?

Post by inbox » Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:42 am

Hi,
For me personally I would always use met since it is guaranteed to be correct anyway.

Cheers...

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