List of pronomial adverbs

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List of pronomial adverbs

Postby edufuga » Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:11 pm

Yesterday i started reading the long section on "Word order" , and when i reached the "middle part" i realized that i knew nothing about "er" nor "pronomial adverbs" ( :o ).
Anyway, so now i've read this document on the word "Er" and taken a look at the list of pronomial adverbs, and i have a short question (which i'm sure will reveal how ignorant i am). Ok, here it goes:

If the personal pronoums het and ze, turn into the adverb er, what happens to hem?
I mean, hem sometimes refers to a common gender noun (which can be an inanimate object, like de tafel or de keuken, right?). In that case, it turns also into er?


Note: Now i've seen that that .pdf also says what i'm saying, so who is right? Should "hem" be added to the table (and what about here?).

Ok, that's it. Thank you!

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Re: List of pronomial adverbs

Postby Grytolle » Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:38 pm

preposition + hem => er+preposition
preposition + ze => er+preposition
preposition + het => er+preposition

Masculine nouns: Daar is een zetel. Hij is groot. Ik zet mij in hem erin.
Feminine nouns: Daar is een tafel. Ze is groot. Ik zet er een kan op zeop.
Neuter nouns: Daar is een huis. Het is groot. Ik ga naar het toe ernaartoe.

I don't really know what your question was, but this is afaik the only time that "er" refers to a previous noun (there there are other functions it can fill/other er's).
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Re: List of pronomial adverbs

Postby Bieneke » Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:00 pm

Hello again Edufuga,

Edufuga wrote:Anyway, so now i've read this document on the word "Er" and taken a look at the list of pronomial adverbs, and i have a short question (which i'm sure will reveal how ignorant i am).

Ignorant? Not at all!

For English (object) 'it', we use 'het' (for het-nouns) or 'hem' (de-nouns). When 'hem' refers to something inanimate, we turn it into 'er' just like we do with 'het'. Grytolle already provided you with a few good examples.

Note that if 'hem' refers to a person, we do not use a pronominal adverb.

Keep up the excellent proofreading! :-)
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