Some questions about "er" and "daar"

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Some questions about "er" and "daar"

Post by Mellifera » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:29 am

So I'm reading the rules on the usage of "er", but there aren't enough examples and some things aren't clear for me:

1) Interchangeability.
For example, in many cases "er" can be substituted by "daar" (for more emphasis):
"Ja, ik kom er regelmatig."
"Ja, daar kom ik regelmatig."


But in the following example they only use "er":
Ik ben er trots op dat mijn kinderen op school goede resultaten halen.

Can it also be: "Ik ben daar trots op dat mijn kinderen op school goede resultaten halen." ?

2) Separability.
I have the following example:
"Denk je aan je huiswerk?"
"Ja, ik zal eraan denken."


But my question is: can it also be "Ja, ik zal er denken aan."?

And I have an example: "Denken julliie eraan dat we de volgende week toetsen hebben?"
But can it be: "Denken jullie er dat we de volgende week toetsen hebben aan?"

Or could we also substitute "er" for "daar" here, and say:
"Denken jullie daaraan dat we de volgende week toetsen hebben?"
"Denken jullie daar dat we de volgende week toetsen hebben aan?"

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Re: Some questions about "er" and "daar"

Post by Quetzal » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:21 pm

Mellifera wrote:So I'm reading the rules on the usage of "er", but there aren't enough examples and some things aren't clear for me:

1) Interchangeability.
For example, in many cases "er" can be substituted by "daar" (for more emphasis):
"Ja, ik kom er regelmatig."
"Ja, daar kom ik regelmatig."


But in the following example they only use "er":
Ik ben er trots op dat mijn kinderen op school goede resultaten halen.

Can it also be: "Ik ben daar trots op dat mijn kinderen op school goede resultaten halen." ?
In that particular sentence, no. You can use it in the following exchange, though:

"Ben je er trots op dat je kinderen op school goede resultaten halen?"
- "Ja, daar ben ik trots op."

The "daar" here is actually a totally different meaning of the word than in the first example - just like the "er". This is one of the many cases of "daar" being used in the sense of "dat", i.e. an indicative pronoun. You might expect to hear "Ja, ik ben trots op dat" - but we don't say that, we say "Ja, daar ben ik trots op" (always in that word order).
Mellifera wrote:2) Separability.
I have the following example:
"Denk je aan je huiswerk?"
"Ja, ik zal eraan denken."


But my question is: can it also be "Ja, ik zal er denken aan."?

And I have an example: "Denken julliie eraan dat we de volgende week toetsen hebben?"
But can it be: "Denken jullie er dat we de volgende week toetsen hebben aan?"

Or could we also substitute "er" for "daar" here, and say:
"Denken jullie daaraan dat we de volgende week toetsen hebben?"
"Denken jullie daar dat we de volgende week toetsen hebben aan?"
No, you can't separate them, in either case. And as for substituting "daar", it's basically the same as in the above case - you can't do it in the sentence as it is, in the question it needs to be "eraan", but you could reply to that question by saying "Ja, we zullen daaraan denken" (again, instead of "Ja, we zullen denken aan dat"). Probably more often "eraan", though.

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Re: Some questions about "er" and "daar"

Post by Mellifera » Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:22 am

Bedankt, Quetzal!

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