Dubbele negatie

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Dubbele negatie

Post by Johano » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:02 pm

In many dialects they also have a double negotion.

Ik heb dat nooit nie gedaan (ik have never done that ==> lit. I have never not done that)

Ik en heb da nie gedaan ("en" is here pronounced as "een").

This is less common and more dialect (West and East Flanders).

Nice to know, it's some sort of left-over from Old Dutch

eg. Ick en sie den dagheraad komen (I can't see the dawn of day).

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Post by dirkmath » Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:11 am

And in Afrikaans, a language that directly evolved from Old Dutch, it is even obligatory:
Hy sal nie kom nie, want hy is siek = He won't be coming because he is sick.
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Re: Dubbele negatie

Post by Grytolle » Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:02 am

Afrikaans has its double negation from somewhere else, I've been told.

Old Dutch only had ne for negation, now we only have niet (mostly). Middle Dutch was a transition period with double negation.
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Re: Dubbele negatie

Post by Snoezig » Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:19 am

Wikipedia offers this:

"Both French and San origins have been suggested for double negation in Afrikaans. While double negation is still found in Low Franconian dialects in West-Flanders and in some "isolated" villages in the center of the Netherlands (i.e. Garderen), it takes a different form, which is not found in Afrikaans."

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