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pronunciation

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:00 pm
by KayJohnson
Sometimes it seems to be pronounced "hoo" and sometimes "ho". Can someone explain?

Re: pronunciation

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:03 pm
by Bert
In which part of the Netherlands have you "ho" heard? Or was that in Belgium?

Re: pronunciation

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:43 pm
by BrutallyFrank
One explanation could be that the prolonged "hoo" is spoken to emphasize the word. In that case the shorter "ho" would be standard.

Another explanation could be that you heard "hoo" being pronounced by somebody from the south of the region (most notably in Limburg, both the Belgian and Dutch province), which is known for stretching words. I guess that the last one is the one Bert was going for ...

Re: pronunciation

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:47 pm
by KayJohnson
I heard both usages on Rosetta Stone.

Re: pronunciation

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:59 pm
by KayJohnson
From Bert's and Brutally Frank's replies, it seems that both pronunciations are in use.

Re: pronunciation

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:10 pm
by BrutallyFrank
At which level did you hear it?

Re: pronunciation

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:32 pm
by andreengels
BrutallyFrank wrote:One explanation could be that the prolonged "hoo" is spoken to emphasize the word. In that case the shorter "ho" would be standard.

Another explanation could be that you heard "hoo" being pronounced by somebody from the south of the region (most notably in Limburg, both the Belgian and Dutch province), which is known for stretching words. I guess that the last one is the one Bert was going for ...
I'm from the north of the Netherlands, and I live in the south, but on neither place can I remember ever having heared the pronounciation 'ho' for 'hoe', it's always 'hoo' (same pronounciation as English 'who').

Re: pronunciation

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:16 pm
by KayJohnson
It was on the first level of Rosetta Stone. But now your answers are really interesting. Some of you seem to say "ho" is correct, others, like Andre, say it's only "hoo." Would it by any chance have two different meanings?

Re: pronunciation

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:52 pm
by BrutallyFrank
Definitely no different meanings.

What triggers my interest now: is someone who didn't grow up with hearing and using "stoottoon/sleeptoon" able to the hear the difference. And maybe the topic starter is ...?

Re: pronunciation

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:06 am
by ngonyama
Sorry but I do not agree with Andre that Dutch hoe sounds like English who. Certainly not the way that who is pronounced here in the US. Both the consonant and the vowel are different. The English "wh" is voiceless [h], while the Dutch "h" is voiced [ɦ]. The American vowel [ʊ] is only half rounded and tends towards the [y] sound. The Dutch "oe" is a real , dark and strongly sounded. Americans have trouble producing that, including in singing. (I know: we are doing some Clemens non papa; in Dutch :evil: )

In as much as there are any length differences of the Dutch vowel, or [u:], this is strictly allophonic: there is no difference in meaning. As a phoneme: there is only one. I think English speakers tend to differentiate that into two different vowels, because of the vowel difference between food and foot. Dutch only has one vowel.

Re: pronunciation

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:05 pm
by makhi
One explanation could be that the prolonged "hoo" is spoken to emphasize the word. In that case the shorter "ho" would be standard.