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Is Naturalization Test and Civic Intergration exam ONE thing

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:13 am
by Yasmeena
Hello everyone,

I'm Egyptian married to a Dutch man and we are living together outside the Netherlands.

I want to apply for the Dutch nationality to get rid of the visa's headache and be able to visit my mither in law when I want not when the embassy decideds.

In a couple of months we will be 3 years married. I have read about the naturalization test and I'm so confused. Is this test also called civic integration test which has one part questions of Dutch society and the other part is about the Dutch language?

Please help!

Re: Is Naturalization Test and Civic Intergration exam ONE thing

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:53 am
by adappel
Hi

What you must do is a 'naturalization'-test in the embassy of the third country.
This means that this option is only possible if you, as an Egyptian, does not live in Egypt, and your Dutch partner does not live in Holland. The second condition is that you are both living officially together for three years. If this is the case, you can walk this way...

These are two tests in the computer and one with a headset (Toets Gesproken Nederlands).
These three tests are language tests.
The level is A2.
You must know some Dutch.
You can not reach this level without specialized help from a professional.
May be you can find a local teacher, or you can come to Holland for one month or so and study in Holland.

Good luck!

Re: Is Naturalization Test and Civic Intergration exam ONE thing

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:00 pm
by Yasmeena
I'm very thankful to your help. Yes we live outside Egypt.



I'm still confused, though.Is this naturalization test the one which has 100 questions about Dutch society?

I'm just tryong to figure out if this is the same as the civic integration or not.

As for the three years, since we got married we have not been living in one place always. Sometimes my husband was in Holland and I was in Egypt. Is this a problem? I thought we just have to prove that we were married for all this time and have been together for some time and others not due to visa problems and so on until we moved together now to a third country.

Re: Is Naturalization Test and Civic Intergration exam ONE thing

Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:04 am
by adappel
Hello Yasmeena

I am not sure if you can walk this road if you did not live together all the time.
For this aspect you need some specific information that can be given by the Embassy. Or you ask a lawyer.

I can help you to pass the necessary exam.
The are two exams hat can be done in the Embassy.
One is the Basic Integration Exam: This is the exam that is done normally to unite or reunite with your Dutch partner. You need to learn 100 questions & answers about Dutch society. This is not a difficult part, beause all the questions and answers are known. You can learn this part of the exam by heart. Second part of this exam is a language test. You need to do the Toets Gesproken Nederlands - a lanuguage test with a headset: you listen and must react to some Dutch words/sentences and questions: this part of the exam is still not very difficult but the level of the exam will become more difficult from the first of April 2011 (no joke!).

But Yasmeena wants to do another exam: this is an exam for naturalization. This is possible if you live with your Dutch partner in a so-called Third country. You must do three exams and the level is more difficult than the level for the Basic Integration Exam. You will need specific training and help to pass for this exam. This exam has the same level as the Integration Exam that foreigners are obliged to pass before they can have a permanent residence in Holland. But the exam that can be done in the Embassy is a far better (easier) than the exam that you would be obliged to if you would first immigrate to Holland and then apply for permanent residence or Dutch passport.

Re: Is Naturalization Test and Civic Intergration exam ONE thing

Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:48 am
by jonna
Hi,

what you can do is you can ask your in-laws to order you a book titled Naar Nederlands.. it can help you with your KNS (Kennis van de Nederlandse Samenleving) the book has vcd which is similar to the photos in the book, also included numbers where u can call to make a sample test.. as far as i remember the exams has 5 parts.. first KNS with computer and headset, photos will appear and you will tell what the photo mean is, second Nazeggen only with headset, what you need to do here is repeat the sentence what you hear, third tegenstellingen (Synonyms) like hoog answer is laag, boven-onder...enz.. fourth again Nazeggen, and the last is Korte verhaal here is you hear from the operator a short story and you need to repeat the story as much as you can.

this is based on my own experienced exam in the embassy..

success..

Re: Is Naturalization Test and Civic Intergration exam ONE thing

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:47 pm
by Yasmeena
Joanna,

Thank you for your reply. It is clear now that you did the civic integration exam and not the one for naturalization as Ad explained above.

Re: Is Naturalization Test and Civic Intergration exam ONE thing

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:31 pm
by adappel
Confusing fact: the first exam that is done by most people in the exam is called the basic integration exam. Most important part of this is the Toets Gesproken Nederlands.
If you can do the naturalizationtest (some people who live abroad can do this, but not all) because you spent three years with your Dutch husband - you will have to do three tests: one of these three tests is the same Toets Gesproken Nederlands.
You can do this second ( more difficult) exam on the condition that you do not live in your home country.

Re: Is Naturalization Test and Civic Intergration exam ONE thing

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:04 pm
by jonna
In the country where you come from u need to take BAsic Integration Exam of course in the embassy...
Naturalization exam will be done here not in your country of origin.