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Inburgering questions and experience learning Dutch

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:43 pm
by AdvancedDutch
I am currently enrolled for the Inburgering exam. I was just wondering if after this exam and I would like to continue, does the City Hall also pay for the Staatsexamen?

If say one were to fail the exams, does the city hall also pay for retrials? How many retrials can a candidate have?

Also can the student decide for himself/herself when they should sit for the exam?

How often are the Inburgering and Staatsexamen held?

My Inburgering is only three months, and then I would sit for the Inburgering exam. I think perhaps my proficiency of the language could still improve by studying further.

Another separate issue is that I love the study of languages and would consider myself quite a linguist, but I didn't like the fact that the study of Dutch is forced by the law as I come from a non-EU country. I feel that if I had to choose my own classes, I would choose a class where the teacher does translations from English to Dutch and not wholly Dutch. Such classes should be available in Holland, aren't there?

I have a chaotic experience learning Dutch in the Netherlands. A lot of students in my class are uninterested to study and some have problem reading and writing. So happens all do not speak English. Worst of all, you would think I am saying that I am the better student, but no. I can't understand half the things the teacher is saying as my Dutch is not that good yet. There are no translations given. What can I do? I feel really lost learning Dutch at school.

Re: Inburgering questions and experience learning Dutch

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:57 am
by Sue
Hi AdvancedDutch!

I can´t help you with the inburgering questions as I am a EU citizen and therefore don´t have to do it. But I thought I would just comment on your separate issues.

I would have loved to have been forced to do a Dutch course! I went to the Gemeente and they were rude and unhelpful. They said because I was an EU citizen it wasn´t compulsory I didn´t even have to learn Dutch! I was quite perplexed by that, I am living in a country and they don´t think I need to speak the language! I can understand how you could get by in the big cities in the west of NL, but in the east I have found very few people who understand English (or perhaps pretend they don´t!). Basically the Gemeente refused to help me, wouldn´t even give me a list of schools/organisations that give Dutch lessons. The only way I found a course was to post on a forum and someone who lives in the same town replied and gave me all the details.

I have had experience learning Dutch both in a 100% Dutch environment and in a mixture of English/Dutch and I much preferred the 100% Dutch method, it forced me to learn quicker, with the other class it was so easy to slip into English.

I found a lot of students were uninterested in learning Dutch. I suppose if you are forced to learn something it is different than if you want to learn. I was (and still am) enthusiastic about learning Dutch. I spent the whole day at school (rather than just the 2 1/2hrs lesson), I went to the library where they had many resources, computer programmes, study books, easy reading books, old exam papers etc etc and worked on them. I don´t know if they have anything like that at your school.

Sorry I couldn’t help more, just wanted to share my experiences.

Sue :)

Re: Inburgering questions and experience learning Dutch

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:30 am
by ngonyama
Curiosity mostly: could you make some recordings in class and try to work out later on what you missed?

Re: Inburgering questions and experience learning Dutch

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:45 pm
by adappel
Hi advanced dutch

Your complaints are serious.
You better complain in your school.
You should also complain at the 'gemeente'.
And you better mention here in this site which school and gemeente are involved.
This might help others to keep alert!

Re: Inburgering questions and experience learning Dutch

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:51 pm
by AdvancedDutch
Have not thought of recording what the teacher says, but it is a good idea, thanks!

I have since spoken more to the teacher of the class. According to her, attendance is not compulsory and is not taken. That explains why many students don't turn up for class on a regular basis; they only come as they please. The teacher said that's the way the system works. It is far from perfect but she says you have to take it as it is.

For me, as a foreigner here in the Netherlands, I do know the Dutch habit of complaining to get results. But here I think I just want to get on with life; having tried to voice out my opinion only to be told that if you are not happy here, you can always go back to your home country. It is also tiring to complaint without results. So here, I think I'll just go with the flow for now. If the teacher can't be bothered, I'll just self-study at home and make the best of the situation. I guess there's always a silver lining behind every cloud.

Re: Inburgering questions and experience learning Dutch

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:44 pm
by ngonyama
In the end you are the one that does the learning. A teacher is perhaps able to help you with that, but "teaching a language" is like all teaching: you can lead a horse to water, but the horse decides to drink or not to drink. Besides if the horse is real thirsty he may very well succeed in finding the water without guidance... So, use you teacher well, but there are other things and people you can use too. Just find out what works best for you.