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Re: Syllables

Postby Wim » July 10th, 2008, 12:35 pm

Als je een samengesteld woord in lettergrepen verdeelt, moet je het altijd eerst in zijn samenstellende delen verdelen: bij 'dopinginstanties' dus 'doping' en 'instanties.' Daarna pas kun je beide delen volgens de 'algemene' regels in lettergrepen verdelen. Dan krijg je dus do-ping-in-stan-ties. Als je het woord na 'doping' wilt afbreken, moet dat dus na de ng, en niet ertussen.

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Re: Syllables

Postby Psi-Lord » April 21st, 2009, 12:57 am

Joke wrote:
Grytolle wrote:ng shouldn't really be split I guess, but I do it anyway because of being Swedish :(

That's true, ng is one sound, like in English. The g is not pronounced seperately.

This reminds me of when I found out that the syllabification of koningin was ko·nin·gin, and started wondering if, after all, this wasn’t really a <ng>, but <n> + <g> instead, despite the fact it comes (?) from koning. But then, I was told that, syllabification apart, I should pronounce it as /koːniŋˈin/, because, even if /koːninˈGin/ (or something similar) exists (Van Dale even lists it, transcribed as kooniggin), many speakers regard it as substandard.
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Re: Syllables

Postby Grytolle » April 21st, 2009, 11:38 am

g in ng used toe be pronounced, but it's one sound now [ŋ]

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Re: Syllables

Postby rcoulston » December 8th, 2011, 3:02 am

I am confused:
In a word like fabriek, we use "rule 2" to syllabify like this:
fab.riek
But this leaves the /b/ in the coda of the first syllable, which I think means it gets devoiced, but in actuality, it stays voiced, right?
Can anyone make sense of this for me?
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Re: Syllables

Postby Joke » December 8th, 2011, 11:43 am

Fabriek is split as fa-briek, and pronounced with a voiced b.
You're right that this violates the 'split-between-two-consonants-rule', but I have no idea why.
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Re: Syllables

Postby andreengels » December 9th, 2011, 11:40 am

Joke wrote:Fabriek is split as fa-briek, and pronounced with a voiced b.
You're right that this violates the 'split-between-two-consonants-rule', but I have no idea why.


Ik dacht dat de regel was "zo veel mogelijk in de tweede lettergreep", dat wil zeggen, alles gaat naar de tweede lettergreep zolang het een toegestane medeklinkercombinatie aan het begin van een woord/lettergreep is. Br- is een toegestaan begin van een Nederlands woord, en dus krijg je fa-briek.
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Re: Syllables

Postby Wim » December 18th, 2011, 9:05 pm

Nee, dat is in de regel niet zo. Als er één consonant tussen twee vocalen staat, hoort die consonant bij de tweede lettergreep, bij twee consonanten ligt de lettergreepscheiding in de regel tussen die consonanten. Bij drie of meer ligt het nog ingewikkelder. Het woord fabriek is een (soort) uitzondering, die waarschijnlijk te herleiden is naar de uitspraak /fabrik/, dus met een 'lange' a-klank. Bij de verdeling fab-riek wordt de /a/ in de uitspraak een /ɑ/, en dat is niet de bedoeling. Een vergelijkbaar geval is 'pistool' (pi-stool, en niet *pis-tool).

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Re: Syllables

Postby Wim » December 18th, 2011, 9:17 pm

And a brief summary (kind of pleonasm, isn't it? :-D ) in English: as a rule, one consonant between two vowels is part of the second syllable, while in case of two consonants between the vowels, the division is made between the consonants. However, the division of the word fabriek is fa-briek indeed, probably due to the pronunciation /fabrik/. If it would be divided as *fab-riek, the pronunciation would turn to /fɑbrik/ which isn't correct.

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Re: Syllables

Postby Grytolle » December 18th, 2011, 9:19 pm

(VD:
fa·briek
/fabrik/, /fɑbrik/
:evil: )
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