Belgium/Holland pronunciation difference?

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Belgium/Holland pronunciation difference?

Post by LanguageFootball » Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:35 pm

Hi,

I was wondering if there is a difference between the way a Flemish person and a Dutch person would pronounce the name de Bruyne (as in Kevin de Bruyne - the Belgian footballer) ?

Any help would be great - it's for a blog article I'm writing. Dank u wel!

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Re: Belgium/Holland pronunciation difference?

Post by BrutallyFrank » Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:21 pm

Depends: what do you mean with different? I think the main difference would be the pronounciation of the 'r' in Bruyne ... that would be much harsher sounding in Dutch. But besides that there's no difference.
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Re: Belgium/Holland pronunciation difference?

Post by LanguageFootball » Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:16 am

Thanks for your reply.

I was wondering more about the 'uy' sound. I was told that if a Dutch person says this name it sounds something like the English word 'brown', whereas for a Flemish person it would be more like 'broyn' (rhyming with the English word 'groin'). However, I may well have been misinformed...

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Re: Belgium/Holland pronunciation difference?

Post by BrutallyFrank » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:51 pm

IF there is any difference in pronounciation of the 'ui', I think it's more regional than a difference between Flemish and Dutch.

Maybe this ( http://nl.forvo.com/word/ui/ ) can help you a little bit. Strange thing is: Finnish comes more closely to my pronounciation, because coming from the south the 'ui' turns to 'oe'. But not just spoken, also in writing. In Frisian it would become 'û'.

Btw I was just checking a site on Frisian. It sometimes resembles English ... luisteren (to listen) in Frisian is 'harkje'.
(and to make things more confusing: 'harkje' means literally 'little rake' in Dutch)



Edit: if I have to guess from that website: knippicello comes from the eastern/northern part of the country and Nobellius from the south (although more likely Brabant than Limburg).
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Re: Belgium/Holland pronunciation difference?

Post by LanguageFootball » Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:59 pm

Thanks for your help! FYI - here is the blog post on the subject. If I get anything wrong, feel free to let me know. Thanks again!

http://languageoffootball.com/2015/10/2 ... de-bruyne/

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Re: Belgium/Holland pronunciation difference?

Post by Langemarck » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:24 am

BrutallyFrank wrote:Finnish comes more closely to my pronounciation, because coming from the south the 'ui' turns to 'oe'. [/size]
Finnish of Flemish? #-o

En, zoudt ge kunnen zeggen in welke streken in Nederland ''ui'' als ''uu'''gerealiseerd wordt?
En of het alleenlijk vóór één medeklinker kan voorkomen of ook vóór meerdere...?
Ziet ge een fout in de bovenstaande uiting? Heb te allen tijd de vrijmoedigheid om er correcties aan te brengen!

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Re: Belgium/Holland pronunciation difference?

Post by BrutallyFrank » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:44 am

In het Fins!

Wat betreft 'ui' en 'uu': ik ben geen expert, maar misschien zou je eens kunnen zoeken binnen bepaalde dialecten/streektalen/talen. Het zou kunnen dat het Fries die uitspraak kent. Of misschien het Nedersaksisch of Zeeuws.
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