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When to use Past and when Present Perfect
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:29 pm
by Iouri
I read in my lessons that:
Another important thing to remember is that the Present perfect tense in Dutch is used when speaking of events which happend in the past. It is the most frequently used Past tense in Dutch
Is there a rule, when to use Past and when to use Present Perfect. It looks like it is not the same as in English.
Thank you
Re: When to use Past and when Present Perfect
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:19 pm
by Joke
You're right, it's defenitely not the same as in English. I still make mistakes in English for exactly that reason...
It's not easy to give clear rules, but here are some guidelines:
http://www.dutchgrammar.com/en/?n=Verbs.Re11
http://www.dutchgrammar.com/en/?n=Verbs.Re14
Apart from this, I'm afraid it's a matter of learning by trial and error and paying attention to what Dutch people do when you read or hear Dutch.
Joke
Re: When to use Past and when Present Perfect
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:26 pm
by Iouri
Everything is very vague. Anyway, is it a big mistake if someone used simple past instead of present perfect?
Thanks a lot
Re: When to use Past and when Present Perfect
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:42 pm
by Bert
Iouri wrote:Everything is very vague. Anyway, is it a big mistake if someone used simple past instead of present perfect?
Thanks a lot
Well, that would be a tremendous mistake... No, just kidding.
You can find here some very useful example sentences:
http://educatie-en-school.infonu.nl/bui ... ngels.html
Re: When to use Past and when Present Perfect
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:54 pm
by Iouri
Thank you Bert.
This example screwed my brains even more,
That is an excerpt from the link you gave me
Simple Past Tense
Voorbeeld:
Gisteren ben ik van mijn fiets gevallen. – I fell from my bike yesterday.
Hij heeft vorige week de premier gezien. – He saw the Prime Minister last week.
I would say that this is Present perfect
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Present Perfect
Voorbeeld:
Lisa is al vijf jaar mijn vriendin. – Lisa has been my girlfriend for five years now.
I would say that this is simple present
Re: When to use Past and when Present Perfect
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:30 pm
by Bert
Iouri wrote:Voorbeeld:
Gisteren ben ik van mijn fiets gevallen. – I fell from my bike yesterday.
It's not that difficult. You can see from the example above that the Dutch usually use present perfect where you would use simple past. There are other rules as well but this is the most important in my opinion.
Re: When to use Past and when Present Perfect
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:33 pm
by Iouri
So, if I want to say something in the past I ALWAYS can use Present Perfect?
Re: When to use Past and when Present Perfect
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:02 pm
by Joke
Iouri wrote:Thank you Bert.
This example screwed my brains even more,
That is an excerpt from the link you gave me
Simple Past Tense
Voorbeeld:
Gisteren ben ik van mijn fiets gevallen. – I fell from my bike yesterday.
Hij heeft vorige week de premier gezien. – He saw the Prime Minister last week.
I would say that this is Present perfect
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Present Perfect
Voorbeeld:
Lisa is al vijf jaar mijn vriendin. – Lisa has been my girlfriend for five years now.
I would say that this is simple present
You are right. The site Bert linked to is meant for teaching Dutch people how to use the tenses in English. The tenses mentioned are correct for the English sentences, but not for the Dutch translations. I think the most important lesson you can learn here is that English and Dutch indeed do use different tenses to say the same thing, but it's probably not the most useful site to learn about Dutch.
Re: When to use Past and when Present Perfect
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:46 pm
by Iouri
Thank you Joke.
Please confirm that I understand it correctly.
I can use either simple past or present perfect tense for the past events
Re: When to use Past and when Present Perfect
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:57 am
by Joke
In principle, you can, but in reality, usually one sounds much better than the other.
We often use the simple past to describe situations in the past and the past perfect to describe events.
Wat is er gebeurd? (Asking for events, present perfect.)
Terwijl ik lag te slapen (situation, simple past), is er bij me ingebroken (event, present perfect).
Vroeger luisterde ik altijd naar popmuziek. (situation in the past, simple past)
Ik heb gisteren een nieuw boek gekocht (event, present perfect).